(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]GN[European Go Congress Main Board 2 Round 4]PW[Chen Wang]PB[Ilja Shikshin]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2014-07-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Astrid]C[Gavino [?]: ah, rolnEuroGoTV2 [-]: hi everyoneEuroGoTV1 [-]: Live TV broadcasts of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2EuroGoTV2 [-]: the round beginsEuroGoTV2 [-]: i will give u some of the games waiting for the game beginsEuroGoTV2 [-]: Kim Young Sam vs Zeno van DitzhuijzenEuroGoTV2 [-]: Csaba Mero vs Alexander DinersteinGavino [?]: who is artem playing?];B[dd];W[cp];B[pc];W[qp];B[qe]C[Fabregas: oh man,csaba vs diner];W[eq];B[cf];W[jc];B[op];W[oq];B[pp];W[pq];B[qo];W[nq]C[Fabregas: breakfast[3p] vs csaba[-]];B[rp];W[qq];B[lc];W[qm]C[Reym [-]: they took their time to start but now they play fastEuroGoTV2 [-]: yep];B[hc];W[on]C[Dupaaxe [?]: oh, no nadare ?];B[je]C[Fabregas: omgFabregas: doesn't like 7d vs 7dReym [-]: but no problem for you eurogo, you play faster than the stream ;)Mai [1k]: I hope hne rnead tnhis nount];W[dk]C[Mai [1k]: sornrnyn broken keyboard];B[qk]C[EuroGoTV2 [-]: heheFabregas: really?];W[rm]C[Mai [1k]: Its really messed up];B[ol]C[Gavino [?]: artems opponent hasnt shown up, do you know who hes playing euro?];W[qi]C[EuroGoTV2 [-]: nopeEuroGoTV2 [-]: Cornel Burzo vs Armel David WolffEuroGoTV2 [-]: Mateusz Surma vs Geert GroenenHendl [1d]: opening looks good for wFabregas: I only knows Cornel Burzo and Mateusz SurmaFabregas: other two idkReym [-]: go Armel!];B[pm]C[Toocaps [1d]: interesting shape to b.xoxo88 [1k]: nice haengma];W[pn];B[qn];W[rk]C[xoxo88 [1k]: but all in all i favor wHendl [1d]: ko?];B[rj];W[qj];B[rl];W[ql];B[sk];W[pk]C[gruenwald [1d]: quite early for koxoxo88 [1k]: no threads w cant ignorexoxo88 [1k]: so good for wxoxo88 [1k]: d4?gruenwald [1d]: i am not so sure about thatxoxo88 [1k]: why? do you see a thread thats worth the ko?xoxo88 [1k]: for b?Gavino [?]: b has no thread besides d4fekand5 [1d]: q8xoxo88 [1k]: and d4 isnt big enoughdaveminion [-]: o6 exchange first?qweras: O6 for blackxoxo88 [1k]: o6 is after winning the ko the best what can hapen for fightdaveminion [-]: o6 make the ko biggerxoxo88 [1k]: for w*einstein [6d]: B has no good earthquakes right now.... oops I mean ko threats, of course.EuroGoTV2 [-]: Benjamin Teuber vs Antoine FenechEuroGoTV2 [-]: Fredrick Blombach vs Lothar SpiegelEuroGoTV2 [-]: Blomback*xoxo88 [1k]: anyone knows whos youngsams opponent this round?Uberdude [3d]: i saw a pro game with w tenuki top like this, black played k14 not k15 therexoxo88 [1k]: hey andrewGavino [?]: youngsam is playing zenoxoxo88 [1k]: who the hack is zeno, strenght?];B[nn];W[nm]C[einstein [6d]: o7 looks better at o5 ];B[pl]C[Gavino [?]: 5d egf];W[rk];B[nl]C[einstein [6d]: because now B p5 is next];W[sl]C[xoxo88 [1k]: so fishfoodgruenwald [1d]: fast game];B[no];W[mm];B[om];W[ml];B[nk];W[mk]C[einstein [6d]: o7 o8 is slightly better, but only nominally so.];B[nj];W[mj]C[Toocaps [1d]: ugly shape for b];B[ni]C[xoxo88 [1k]: painfoulxoxo88 [1k]: ful*];W[mp];B[mi];W[mn]C[einstein [6d]: n5 is sentexoxo88 [1k]: whos playing ali?];B[fp]C[einstein [6d]: h4 nowEuroGoTV2 [-]: i dont know his name];W[fq];B[hp]C[einstein [6d]: f3 looks questionableToocaps [1d]: F5 now!];W[gp];B[go]C[einstein [6d]: except if W believes he can kill h4 ];W[gq];B[in]C[xoxo88 [1k]: not possible to kill];W[gn]C[xoxo88 [1k]: h6?einstein [6d]: g6 looks good, but is it?];B[ho];W[fn];B[fo];W[dn]C[einstein [6d]: because h5 is ok];B[hq];W[jq]C[einstein [6d]: h3 is questionableeinstein [6d]: because it does not really make eyesxoxo88 [1k]: still b has to find a way to jump nowwerdfwerd: whats a good alternative to f3 for w?einstein [6d]: k4 l4 k2 l3 looks natural but doesn't make 100% eyes.xoxo88 [1k]: h4 is common if you are strongxoxo88 [1k]: as einstein mentionedeinstein [6d]: j8 would be heavy because w k7 j7 j10 ];B[dp];W[dq];B[cq]C[xoxo88 [1k]: but j9 doesnt work simplyeinstein [6d]: How B settles this group is huge];W[ep]C[troll [2d]: asking for a tripod in cornerHitMan3 [5k]: lisy game over?troll [2d]: and w allowed it, now that the option is there, b just needs to somehow live with the heavy group outsideeinstein [6d]: b4 d5 c2 makes a living corner group ];B[il];W[mo];B[po]C[xoxo88 [1k]: j10?];W[ij]C[troll [2d]: w will be low on cash if b lives with dragon nowwerdfwerd: what if b played n5 before j8];B[fl]C[einstein [6d]: k7 j7 is a good exchange, I think, but W believes he may be able to play j7 at some stagefekand5 [1d]: e6xoxo88 [1k]: h7 looks shiny but i guess they are lib probs?troll [2d]: h7 looks bad shapewise];W[em]C[McCallaway [2d]: Hello,  who are the players please?troll [2d]: b shape short on liberties, was short on liberties, now its bettertroll [2d]: w chen wang 7d, b ilja shikshin 7dMcCallaway [2d]: Thx trollxoxo88 [1k]: k10daveminion [-]: what!!! on earth happendEuroGoTV2 [-]: Artem is playing Dusantroll [2d]: meant to say, w h7 looks bad, because w shape was short on liberties (before e7)einstein [6d]: h10 looks okxoxo88 [1k]: dusan dusan dusan :Sxoxo88 [1k]: ezzHitMan3 [5k]: ilja participted in the euro pro tournament?];B[jj]C[troll [2d]: hitman3, noHitMan3 [5k]: why? he doesn't want to be a pro?einstein [6d]: k10 is the other possibility which I rejectedEuroGoTV2 [-]:  Live TV broadcasts of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2];W[ik]C[troll [2d]: hitman3, official story is that his employer didnt give him enough free days to participate in all the tournaments required];B[jk];W[jl]C[troll [2d]: k4HitMan3 [5k]: ohtroll [2d]: my guess would be that ilja wants to become korean pro :)einstein [6d]: k7 l8 h8 or l8 k7 j7 that is the questionxoxo88 [1k]: too oldxoxo88 [1k]: for thatHitMan3 [5k]: to become a pro in korea its hardmanul [6k?]: my guess would be that you dont know what you're talking about %)backpack1 [4d]: WowHitMan3 [5k]: the insei in korea are strongtroll [2d]: ya, ilja doesnt have anywhere near enough strength yet to become a real korean protroll [2d]: but doesnt mean he wouldnt want to :)xoxo88 [1k]: then he would study in koreaHitMan3 [5k]: so he should become euro proqweras: L8 possibletroll [2d]: asnt ilja studied in korea for a while?xoxo88 [1k]: not idling in europeeinstein [6d]: anyway, can you change the discussion about pros etc to some other channel?HitMan3 [5k]: sorrymanul [6k?]: since when there are euro pros? o_Oxoxo88 [1k]: well if you want to become kr pro you should spend more then a "while"einstein [6d]: because it is sooooo boring to hear about this every single time.xoxo88 [1k]: it is?backpack1 [4d]: Just dont read the chateinstein [6d]: especially, because most people have no idea anywaytroll [2d]: hmm, ok, b l4, not k4xoxo88 [1k]: im not kibitzing regularly, sry didnt knewxoxo88 [1k]: Sdaveminion [-]: Manul the euro pros were already promitedHitMan3 [5k]: i wish i were in the EGCdaveminion [-]: pavol lisy and ali jabarin are the EGC prosxoxo88 [1k]: but i spoke with ali about that some hours so i know a little i think ^^Gavino [?]: this is just preparing me for the us congress. it starts when the euro one endsgoBum [?]: ohh it's roln111manul [6k?]: how come i wast invited to the event? T__Tmanul [6k?]: *wasntHendl [1d]: headache for beinstein [6d]: if l8 k7 j7 next w l7 and B h9 h10 g9 is not very interesting for B but he will not dieHitMan3 [5k]: i think ali is strongerbackpack1 [4d]: NoHitMan3 [5k]: than lisydaveminion [-]: NObackpack1 [4d]: You re wrongGavino [?]: pavol is strongerdaveminion [-]: Ten is the best of allbackpack1 [4d]: Nopexoxo88 [1k]: k guys that is now rly a stupid discussioneinstein [6d]: B k7 l8 h8 makes better shape locally but w g9 looks very dangerous and even w g10 looks good enoughbackpack1 [4d]: Ilya>Ten :)manul [6k?]: ilya == 11HitMan3 [5k]: i suggest that we will talk about rainbows and fairystroll [2d]: hmm, both k4 and l4 look "natural" but I dont actually see either giving a proper miai for k8 issuemanul [6k?]: so ilya > TenGavino [?]: i say dont judge until ten comes back from japan];B[kl];W[jm];B[im];W[ji]C[redcrazy [1d?]: ten=?Gavino [?]: ten is up to A class insei nowtroll [2d]: roln > tien > cheaterredcrazy [1d?]: oh tienHitMan3 [5k]: tien?HitMan3 [5k]: who is it?manul [6k?]: manul >> rolnd > tien > cheater ?daveminion [1d?]: antti tormanenHendl [1d]: k4 now?];B[ki];W[gk]C[timoun [5k?]: b very big in topxoxo88 [1k]: sacrifice strategy now for b?HitMan3 [5k]: Victor lin is the weakest 6d?xoxo88 [1k]: the weakest 6d ive ever seen is this aserbaidschan guydaveminion [1d?]: azerbaijan?xoxo88 [1k]: yydaveminion [1d?]: is there any go players?HitMan3 [5k]: lolxoxo88 [1k]: i think about 3, and the strongest call hisself 6d :Sdaveminion [1d?]: XDGavino [?]: theres a guy who plays wagc and etc as 6d but is more like 1dwerdfwerd: is b in trouble?HitMan3 [5k]: i wish i were 6 danmanul [6k?]: the weakest 6d is that guy... self-declared 6d who started to play yesterday... forgot his nameHitMan3 [5k]: 6 dans are amazingxoxo88 [1k]: i mean hes country champion, so he must be 6d rightHitMan3 [5k]: i want to be in EGC so badxoxo88 [1k]: i dont see a way for bGavino [?]: save money and go];B[ii]C[HitMan3 [5k]: money isn't the problem];W[jh]C[daveminion [1d?]: now g10xoxo88 [1k]: g10 looks shiny indeedzzz [2k]: e5 HitMan3 [5k]: it because i play only 8 monthsHitMan3 [5k]: my parents dont allow medaveminion [1d?]: how old are youHitMan3 [5k]: 18xoxo88 [1k]: wootdaveminion [1d?]: wow Im just 14...manul [6k?]: =.=werdfwerd: did w have to extend here? xoxo88 [1k]: i had a own flat and job with 18, whats wrong, do what you wantmanul [6k?]: i'm 5 =^_^=globax [3d]: does k4 live ?goBum [?]: tough situation for b HitMan3 [5k]: im not going to do whatever i want , i respect my parents so i do as they wishHitMan3 [5k]: (only reasonable demends)goBum [?]: how did it got to here oOxoxo88 [1k]: its not like betraying if you go to a tournement after youre grown up age wise,xoxo88 [1k]: w/ex0000 [?]: b can't capture k3 I thinkxoxo88 [1k]: not living shape after cap k3fekand5 [1d]: l7xoxo88 [1k]: mb b shouldnt have make the exchange n5, q5xoxo88 [1k]: mb better to live with dragon then saving these 11 stones and 25 pointsHendl [1d]: j12 now?EuroGoTV2 [-]: 1h48 left for b 2h21 for wGavino [?]: id rather die than have to do thattroll [2d]: k4 l7 l3 l2 k2 l4 j3 m2?daveminion [1d?]: g10 and cut white?xoxo88 [1k]: anyway, game deciding move now, so i guess ilya will read longGavino [?]: fighting is his strength tooGavino [?]: so i expect something spectacularqweras: How about J12?xoxo88 [1k]: i expect some weird trying and res thenxoxo88 [1k]: Dx0000 [?]: k4 l7 l3 k2 goBum [?]: so much reading ><redcrazy [1d?]: agree xoxo88troll [2d]: k4 l7 l3 l2 k2 l4 j3 m2 l5 m4 k6 l6 g2 alive];B[gj]C[redcrazy [1d?]: 25pt gote move seem too small at that stage];W[hk]C[goBum [?]: it's not 'weird trying'];B[fk]C[manul [6k?]: m5 l4 j3 k4 h7 k7 m8 l6 m3 k5 j3 k2 l5 j7 l7 g7 m9 o14 h14 g12 n3 o12 k5 g7 n5 j6 m7 m3  ALIVE!goBum [?]: its the variation played in mindxoxo88 [1k]: it was before. its quite big and w would have taken a clear lead, but better then dieing like this];W[gl]C[xoxo88 [1k]: too many cuts...daveminion [1d?]: g7!!! Toocaps [1d]: What is b doing now?daveminion [1d?]: ooohh my goood!goBum [?]: don't b likes this type of fighting?HitMan3 [5k]: i cant see itdaveminion [1d?]: trust me this is starting to get crazyxoxo88 [1k]: g7 and trying to get sente lib for k9 stonesredcrazy [1d?]: b can kill k11 easy that is not issuexoxo88 [1k]: but i dont see howxoxo88 [1k]: mbxoxo88 [1k]: sacrifice strategyxoxo88 [1k]: !xoxo88 [1k]: e10xoxo88 [1k]: looks okaydaveminion [1d?]: g7 f7 h7 h11 f11xoxo88 [1k]: or f10 mb betterxoxo88 [1k]: i like f10troll [2d]: h11 Reym [-]: k4?daveminion [1d?]: troll for black or white?];B[hi]C[xoxo88 [1k]: y sacrificexoxo88 [1k]: !troll [2d]: there is ur answerToocaps [1d]: b is in great danger.];W[fj]C[xoxo88 [1k]: no b is deadxoxo88 [1k]: SgoBum [?]: is it the first time these two played each other?];B[fi];W[ej]C[troll [2d]: b can live with h4 any time he wants afaik, he is just playing forcing moves firstxoxo88 [1k]: too huge for wxoxo88 [1k]: + resigndaveminion [1d?]: no b is deadxoxo88 [1k]: soon];B[km];W[jn];B[jp];W[kn]C[troll [2d]: looks alive to me];B[ln]C[goBum [?]: w plays so fast/surexoxo88 [1k]: Oodaveminion [1d?]: how xoxo88 [1k]: becasue they are no options?Toocaps [1d]: B completely failed.Gavino [?]: w been thinking on b's turn. first time he thinks nowdaveminion [1d?]: M7daveminion [1d?]: aaaaand is overxoxo88 [1k]: m17redcrazy [1d?]: m7 and easy lifetroll [2d]: m7 l5 m5 k5 m6 l3 troll [2d]: worst part about m7 here, is that then its gote to capture k9 stonesdaveminion [1d?]: the cutting point ant l10 destroys black];W[lm]C[Toocaps [1d]: Who is that man playing againt pop?troll [2d]: l5 m5 k5 m6 l10 maybe?daveminion [1d?]: troll then b is not alive];B[bp];W[do]C[troll [2d]: ya, but b has lpenty of libs, and neither is k12 alivetroll [2d]: oh, nvmtroll [2d]: toocaps http://www.egc2014.com/rezultate/main.htm];B[kj]C[troll [2d]: hmm, b does it anyways, those stones are justworth so much more];W[kq];B[ei]C[Toocaps [1d]: tx troll.zzz [2k]: huge topgoBum [?]: sacrifice :OReym [-]: big bottom];W[gc]C[goBum [?]: right side still openx0000 [?]: l5 m5 k5 m6 k2 was alive I think];B[dj];W[ek]C[qweras: Not a real sacrifice, more like a bleeding :Ddaveminion [1d?]: x0000 you mean before the l10 exchangex0000 [?]: yesgoBum [?]: roln is losingdaveminion [1d?]: the white just l3wolokom [5k]: b surrender];B[hb]C[goBum [?]: like the color of your shirt anywaydaveminion [1d?]: if u j3 the g1wolokom [5k]: c 17];W[cc]C[backpack1 [4d]: Roln does not know the word surrenderdaveminion [1d?]: e18redcrazy [1d?]: l5 m5 k5 m6 k2 l3 j3 h2 j2 g2 l2 l4 x0000redcrazy [1d?]: makes komyrtho4d: huh ?myrtho4d: where did you smoke dat ko ?redcrazy [1d?]: h6 m2 g7 f7 h8 redcrazy [1d?]: after earlier sequncegruenwald [1d]: d17 musr?wolokom [5k]: 17 stones dead and huge area for b but will that enaph?Toocaps [1d]: roln should find a magic move.x0000 [?]: e18 xoxo88 [1k]: e18  looks badx0000 [?]: why?wolokom [5k]: too slowx0000 [?]: what?xoxo88 [1k]: naxoxo88 [1k]: i dont like shape wisexoxo88 [1k]: dunnoToocaps [1d]: you said E18?redcrazy [1d?]: but that ko does seem hard for w to fight so i agree with trying to live instead of l10xoxo88 [1k]: d17 should simply work or notwolokom [5k]: but alive not beautymyrtho4d: d17 is koxoxo88 [1k]: hmmmyrtho4d: and game over for b btwmyrtho4d: so he must try to attack more severelyxoxo88 [1k]: c16?xoxo88 [1k]: Ooxoxo88 [1k]: b16 mbxoxo88 [1k]: i dont knowxoxo88 [1k]: hard to kill this onexoxo88 [1k]: with the weaknesses at g12xoxo88 [1k]: and the open left sidetroll [2d]: I think b is leading by a few pointsxoxo88 [1k]: not possible to take it all i thinktroll [2d]: even if w lives in topleftxoxo88 [1k]: which game youre watchingmlkiop [3d]: I tried to count and it's complicated ^^troll [2d]: if w livews in topleft, its surely gote, then b lives in bottom left, w moves out with r11 and b plays c10troll [2d]: and after that its b+5 or there aboutsxoxo88 [1k]: woot?Uberdude [3d]: so 3 important things, closing p11, c2 life, and this corner];B[dc]C[Uberdude [3d]: if b can get 2 should be good];W[db]C[Uberdude [3d]: problem is w p12 likely sentexoxo88 [1k]: where is bs territory after r11 is moving outwolokom [5k]: c 17 has g17 ];B[cd];W[pf]C[xoxo88 [1k]: babämx0000 [?]: w played here firstmlkiop [3d]: this is annoyingx0000 [?]: b has bad aji therexoxo88 [1k]: there will be not much leftxoxo88 [1k]: by far not enough atleasttroll [2d]: what happens from b q13?wolokom [5k]: for ?x0000 [?]: xoxo88 how many is enough?];B[qf];W[pg];B[qg];W[ph]C[xoxo88 [1k]: ok i count tttroll [2d]: b s6 sente..];B[nf]C[xoxo88 [1k]: but o dint think its even worth countingtroll [2d]: oh, maybe notdaveminion [1d?]: d10 biggestxoxo88 [1k]: i count only save territory for w about 85 pointxoxo88 [1k]: komi includedxoxo88 [1k]: so where to get that for bwolokom [5k]: p 15einstein [6d]: b17 e18 c19 makes life. But what about b18 b17 c18 b16 e17 ?];W[ng]C[einstein [6d]: w wants n13 o15 einstein [6d]: so b will play n14 einstein [6d]: but if n14 m12 is nasty];B[mg]C[timoun [5k?]: who leads ?xoxo88 [1k]: wgoBum [?]: looks like wxoxo88 [1k]: n14einstein [6d]: W has 75+Gavino [?]: w almost plays o15 but pulls back at last second];W[ne]C[xoxo88 [1k]: mmhMitani92 [4d]: already at this stage?xoxo88 [1k]: n14 doesnt work?einstein [6d]: B has about 70];B[oe]C[Mitani92 [4d]: at what hour did the games start?xoxo88 [1k]: komi included?xoxo88 [1k]: einstein?goBum [?]: really];W[pe];B[od]C[einstein [6d]: q15 p16 r16 redcrazy [1d?]: b17 b18 a18 b19 c18 b16 how to live?];W[qd];B[qc]C[Suarez [4d]: blitz blitz blitzxoxo88 [1k]: forced sequenceHendl [1d]: i wonder who will winx0000 [?]: I counted 95 for w, 90 for b, but b is thin];W[di]C[xoxo88 [1k]: you shouldnt count the cornersxoxo88 [1k]: yet];B[dh];W[cj]C[x0000 [?]: b17 c2 miaigoBum [?]: ofc we want roln to winredcrazy [1d?]: or b17 b18 c18 b19 EuroGoTV2 [-]: c12 or c2?HitMan3 [5k]: i thought that roln was biggerIdoc [2d]: did w mess up in top right?xoxo88 [1k]: na its finexoxo88 [1k]: alot of ko threads :S];B[ch]C[Toocaps [1d]: How much money does a champion get?Suarez [4d]: w can play s16 no?];W[rd];B[pd]C[redcrazy [1d?]: c2 seems a lot more sure life than b17einstein [6d]: s15 s14 s17 s18 r12 HitMan3 [5k]: toocaps ill look it upxoxo88 [1k]: whats going on nowxoxo88 [1k]: Oo];W[re]C[xoxo88 [1k]: they play that out rly?Suarez [4d]: but einstein s15 will get s17 ];B[rc]C[xoxo88 [1k]: wowxoxo88 [1k]: so bigToocaps [1d]: a lot of money?xoxo88 [1k]: s13xoxo88 [1k]: lolzSuarez [4d]: you didn't read this xoxo? it's a lot of ko threats ^_^];W[rg]C[HitMan3 [5k]: cant find itxoxo88 [1k]: gegeHendl [1d]: sure w wins nowMatsuyama [-]: c2 ?xoxo88 [1k]: w +15xoxo88 [1k]: atleastredcrazy [1d?]: b can play c2 then force b17 to run outxoxo88 [1k]: how cant ilya read thisUberdude [3d]: nice try ilya, but chinese 7d too strongx0000 [?]: w+9,5redcrazy [1d?]: but with b11 w probably wins anywaygruenwald [1d]: w leading like 20?Lake [2k]: unless h4 is totally deadredcrazy [1d?]: h4 is totally deadEuroGoTV1 [-]: c2?x0000 [?]: c2 b17 miaiUberdude [3d]: c2 b17 miai, w won thisxoxo88 [1k]: only thing are the cornersredcrazy [1d?]: b17 isn't lieredcrazy [1d?]: b17 isn't life right awayredcrazy [1d?]: i still want to see b17 b18 c18 b19Mitani92 [4d]: it isgruenwald [1d]: b needs c2 AND b17 to win?x0000 [?]: b17 b18 a18 Suarez [4d]: b17 b18 a18 redcrazyredcrazy [1d?]: b17 b18 a18 b19Suarez [4d]: c19 redcrazy [1d?]: b16 wolokom [5k]: time?x0000 [?]: f18 Suarez [4d]: b16 e18 e19 f18 f19 g18 g19 h16 xoxo88 [1k]: 150:00 to 150:00gruenwald [1d]: time for vodka, Ilyaxoxo88 [1k]: ez to seexoxo88 [1k]: ilyan counted, now counted againredcrazy [1d?]: e18 g18 xoxo88 [1k]: and wang is sweatingxoxo88 [1k]: :Swolokom [5k]: b surrender Mitani92 [4d]: game flow didn't seem nice from blackMitani92 [4d]: been behind all gamexoxo88 [1k]: i think he was okay after the kogoBum [?]: wang stongSuarez [4d]: roln flow often seems disgusting. he is much better fighter than almost all europeans tho so it usually come off. against these strong guys maybe not...xoxo88 [1k]: but there were some questionable moves from bothgoBum [?]: ya roln style doesn't work w/ this guyLake [2k]: yes. even strong fighters cant overcome s13zxz: c2Mitani92 [4d]: problem is here, there's nothing left to fight forMitani92 [4d]: w just simply gave b that huge territory on top, still confident to win with his own gainsMitani92 [4d]: and he simply is right..redcrazy [1d?]: b17 b18 b19 leads to life i seezzz [2k]: can b2 live?donkisot [2d]: c2 better?McCallaway [2d]: C2 livegoBum [?]: lol was wonderingMatsuyama [-]: black can't wingoBum [?]: c2 maybeMcCallaway [2d]: Just lije b17donkisot [2d]: b17?McCallaway [2d]: ;-)Vastolorde [6k]: W fell asleep :DSuarez [4d]: red crazy so does b17 b18 a18 b19 c19 b16 e18 e19 f18 f19 g18 g19 h16 k18 l18 l17 j17 j18 h19 j19 d19 wolokom [5k]: yes the price will be d18 aliveredcrazy [1d?]: i tell you e18 g18Suarez [4d]: e18 g18 e19  alive...redcrazy [1d?]: e19 c19xoxo88 [1k]: i smell btw some rly bad aji for n14Suarez [4d]: c19 already got a stone on itredcrazy [1d?]: oh derrrrpeinstein [6d]: B is about 20 pnts behindredcrazy [1d?]: i misread your sequenceredcrazy [1d?]: okwolokom [5k]: but behindmlkiop [3d]: I don't think 20, more like 10xoxo88 [1k]: more like 20, komi includedmlkiop [3d]: 10 if he kills top left, w kills bottom left, then b goes b11 redcrazy [1d?]: e18 @ f18 a lot easier anyway several ways to live now i seeGavino [?]: i like to think hes reading out the whole game and trying to find a way to +0.5einstein [6d]: W can play b17 e18 c19 e19 a18 b16 b19 Mukti [4d]: Ig b kills UL and w LL and then b starts the big endgame it seems close on the board to me.einstein [6d]: B can play c2 b5 a3 a5 b1 d2 a2 mlkiop [3d]: I tried that Mukti and I got W+7,5wolokom [5k]: Tv time?];B[cr]C[Mukti [4d]: So b must live in the LL and then go all out and kill b in the UL.];W[bo];B[aq];W[ao]C[Mukti [4d]: There we go.];B[bs];W[dr];B[ar];W[of];B[mf];W[bc]C[troll [2d]: b17 b19 not possible?troll [2d]: cause b can e19 to remove one of the eyesMukti [4d]: Why that atari by white? he lost so much aji there.Suarez [4d]: w leads by 10 if b can't killSuarez [4d]: which he can'tmlkiop [3d]: I think cause p13 big endgame for bAthanor [-]: yeah w winsxoxo88 [1k]: i dont see it either muktiredcrazy [1d?]: w live here h18 isn't close enough :(xoxo88 [1k]: only guess is that there wasnt as much aji ive seenmlkiop [3d]: go Ilya, find a ko from nowhere];B[bb]C[xoxo88 [1k]: wowGavino [?]: w beat fan last round];W[ab];B[ba]C[Athanor [-]: he's looking, but a18 will surely liveredcrazy [1d?]: i'm glad roln try to kill thoughSuarez [4d]: oh dearredcrazy [1d?]: but we've already discussed this];W[ca]C[xoxo88 [1k]: y alivetroll [2d]: why didnt b play c19 instead of b19?Suarez [4d]: resign tesuji by rolnwolokom [5k]: no hope BrianH [2k]: b16wolokom [5k]: for bSuarez [4d]: troll c19 c18 b19 b16 Toocaps [1d]: B resigned?redcrazy [1d?]: f18 b16 miaiatroll [2d]: suarez, thx, was blindtroll [2d]: b16 e18 e19 only way forwardBrianH [2k]: b16!Suarez [4d]: but it's no goodgoBum [?]: not yetMukti [4d]: b16-f18 alive.Suarez [4d]: b16 e18 e19 f18 f19 g18 g19 h16 k18 l18 l17 j17 j18 h19 j19 d19 SIkai [2d]: B16 F18redcrazy [1d?]: b16 f18 either liveLuigi [2d]: f18 not e18EuroGoTV2 [-]: b resignsxoxo88 [1k]: overSuarez [4d]: mukti's way simplerxoxo88 [1k]: he reisgnedAthanor [-]: ggBrianH [2k]: really?globax [3d]: thx egtv2xoxo88 [1k]: yygoBum [?]: ggEuroGoTV2 [-]: Live TV broadcasts on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Livemlkiop [3d]: ggMukti [4d]: Thx for the relay.EuroGoTV2 [-]: thx, see youwolokom [5k]: thx i was rightSuarez [4d]: nice resign tesukji by rolnReym [-]: thks eurogo2Suarez [4d]: game finished well before lunch, fastxoxo88 [1k]: theyre reviewing the invasionSuarez [4d]: the euroalka [1d]: Suarez  b16 f18goBum [?]: he placed stones on the board as he resignedSuarez [4d]: alka, Mukti [4d]: b16-f18 alive. Suarez [4d]: mukti's way simplergoBum [?]: fast gamegoBum [?]: other board not even 100 moves yetxoxo88 [1k]:  thats it ilya, no egc for you this yearxoxo88 [1k]: well who knowsxoxo88 [1k]: go youngsam!zxz: b18 misstake. b e18 and black win +20goBum [?]: e18 c19, w alive?Muramasa [1k]: yes it isGodofGo [6d]: this game still going on?zzz [2k]: no])